Charles Waite b1860s, Lydney area. (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Wednesday, January 25, 2012, 02:54 (4690 days ago) @ Jefff

Searching again for Charles now using GlosBMD site which only carries five PRs for Charles Wait/Waite within Dean, including this interesting Baptism ?:
http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/SimpleSearch.aspx

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
WAIT Charles WAIT WAIT FISHER 1862 Forest of Dean Chepstow, Lydney 9 487

Maybe wrong but worth searching if mother Emma was a Fisher...(SEE BELOW)

Same site gives these possible Marriages, although no ages given so...??

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WAIT Charles MARTIN Emily Forest of Dean Alvington St Andrew 1884 1 82

and then:

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
WAITE Charles VIRGO Eliza Forest of Dean Westbury-on-Severn (FoD) Register Office 1898 11 138

So correct locations in both cases ?

Searching for first possible wife Emily Martin in this site's Baptisms gives several in the Lydney area, the only Alvington (as per Marriage) one being a fair possibilty:

Record_ID: 2198
Entry_Number: 127
Year: 1865
Month: Oct
Day: 8
Parents_Surname: MARTIN
Child_Forenames: Emily
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Alvington
Occupation: Shoemaker
Officiating_Minister: Edward Salter Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: dau[ghte]r of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P12 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 16
Parish_Chapel: Alvington
Soundex: M635

I cannot find a likely burial pre 1898.
But this which I declined earlier is her Marriage from this FoD site, on second looks it could well be our Charles !?:

Record_ID: 647
Entry_Number: 82
Year: 1884
Month: Oct
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: WAIT
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age: 20
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Fireman
Grooms_Residence: Lydney
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WAIT
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Joel
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: MARTIN
Brides_Forenames: Emily
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Alvington
Brides_Fathers_Surname: MARTIN
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Plate layer
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Charles Woodcock
Witness_2: Mary Stinchcombe
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J.W. Pengelly Curate in Charge
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P12 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 41
Parish_Chapel: Alvington
Soundex_Groom: W300
Soundex_Bride: M635

("fireman" here probably is a steam engine stoker, tinworks boilerhouse perhaps ?. Or a railway loco fireman; platelayer is a railway trade (or possibly timplate ?).

IF Charles did remarry, there are several possible Baptisms on this site's database for Eliza Virgo in this Severnside area.

Re parents Joseph & Emma Waite, search this FoD site for Emma FISHER, gives:

Record_ID: 20176
Entry_Number: 167
Year: 1851
Month: Jul
Day: 26
Grooms_Surname: WAITE
Grooms_Forenames: Joel
Grooms_Age: Of full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Tin worker
Grooms_Residence: Lidney
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: WAITE
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Shoe maker
Brides_Surname: FISHER
Brides_Forenames: Emma
Brides_Age: 18
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: not stated
Brides_Residence: Upper forge
Brides_Fathers_Surname: FISHER
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Finer
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: The mark of Henry Waite
Witness_2: The mark of Caroline Fisher
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Charles Taylor
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes: Forename of bride confirmed from Marriage Register volume 26 page 65
Register_Reference: P209 IN 1/15
Page_Number: 84
Parish_Chapel: Lydney
Soundex_Groom: W300
Soundex_Bride: F260

If correct explains use of Joel and not Joseph on earlier Charles Mariage Record, all else fits very well. Re witnesses Caroline Fisher could be Emma's mother or sister ?. Henry Waite ? in my searches I've seen Baptisms for Charles Henry Waite which could be relevant, see below...

Her Baptism:

Record_ID: 406852
Entry_Number:
Year: 1834
Month: Feb
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: FISHER
Child_Forenames: Emma
Fathers_Forenames: William
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Forge
Occupation: finer
Officiating_Minister:
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Monmouth
Soundex: F260