Thomas HARPER, 1871-1897, son Thos Morton b1871 et al. (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Sunday, October 14, 2012, 23:41 (4425 days ago) @ Paul Andrews

Perhaps as they are from a shared datum reference (?) FoDFH, FreeBMD and GlosBMD websites all agree that Thomas Moreton Harper is baptised 1871 and marries Eliza Lucretia Williams in 1891, both Monmouth District. Thomas's birthdate matches that of the above FoD Mining Record. I cannot see any other Thomas's with similar names to get confused with, Morton is not a common name at all, thankfully.

Record_ID: 4194
Entry_Number: 786
Year: 1871
Month: Dec
Day: 10
Parents_Surname: HARPER
Child_Forenames: Thomas Morton
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Mill Hill
Occupation: Haulier
Officiating_Minister: J. F. Gosling
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Sponsors Albert James Reuben Nash Decima Ward
Notes:
Register_Reference: P57 IN 1/3
Page_Number: 99
Parish_Chapel: Bream
Soundex: H616

Probable sibling:
Record ID 4328
Entry Number 130
Year 1874
Month Feb
Day 15
Parents Surname HARPER
Child Forenames Elizabeth Lucy Ann
Fathers Forenames Thomas
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Bream
Occupation Haulier
Officiating Minister J F Gosling
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P57 IN 1/4
Page Number 17
Parish Chapel Bream

Perhaps also:
Record ID 69332
Entry Number 459
Year 1876
Month Jul
Day 9
Parents Surname HARPER
Child Forenames George Thomas
Fathers Forenames Thomas
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Coleford Lane End
Occupation Quarry Man
Officiating Minister H L Perry Vicar
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P88 IN 1/2
Page Number 58
Parish Chapel Clearwell

Record ID 69412
Entry Number 539
Year 1878
Month Sep
Day 15
Parents Surname HARPER
Child Forenames Lilian Annie
Fathers Forenames Thomas
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Surname
Residence Lane End
Occupation Quarry Man
Officiating Minister H L Perry Vicar
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register Reference P88 IN 1/2
Page Number 68
Parish Chapel Clearwell

I cannot find Thomas & Elizabeth Sr's marriage on FoD, but from GlosBMD this "fits" the above births etc:

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
HARPER Thomas JAMES Elizabeth Forest of Dean Monmouth Register Office 1870 8 7

From FoD PRs this may be Thos Senior's premature burial, birthdate seems ok? :
Record_ID: 10053
Entry_Number: 621
Year: 1897
Month: Jun
Day: 27
Surname: HARPER
Forenames: Thomas
Residence: Clearwell
Age_at_death: 52
Officiating_Minister: C Floddard
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P88 IN 1/7
Page_No: 79
Parish_Chapel: Clearwell
Soundex: H616

Suggesting his birth abt 1845.

From LDS here they are in 1881, except for young Thomas Morton ?!:

"England and Wales Census, 1881,"
name: Thomas Harper
age: 35
gender: Male
birth year: 1846
birthplace: St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Stone Quarryman
address: ?
census place: West Dean (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342259
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 5225 / 37
page number: 8
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Thomas Harper M 35 St Briavels, Gloucestershire, England
wife Elizabeth Harper F 37 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
son George T Harper M 5 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
daughter Lilian A Harper F 3 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

(So Thomas Sr was born abt 1846, St Braivels. This site contains two possible Baptisms for him in 1846, this most likely one plus one in Ruardean ?)

Record_ID: 73048
Entry_Number: 268
Year: 1846
Month: Jan
Day: 12
Parents_Surname: HARPER
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Mothers_Forenames: Mary
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Stow
Occupation: Farmer
Officiating_Minister: J.J.Barlow
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 34
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: H616

Back to the 1881 Census, this is the best fit I can find for stray Thomas Morton Harper b1871:

"England and Wales Census, 1881,"
name: Thomas J Harper
age: 10
gender: Male
birth year: 1871
birthplace: West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
relationship to head of household: Grand Son
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Scholar
address: ?
census place: West Dean (Gloucs), Monmouthshire, England
disability:
record type: Household
family history library film: 1342259
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 5224 / 64
page number: 19
Household Gender Age Birthplace
head Ellen Lee F 58 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
boarder Thersa Harper F 28 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
grand son Thomas J Harper M 10 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
grand son Albert E Harper M 8 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England
son Thomas Lee M 10 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England

Why isn't Thos Morton with his parents ?. Is their house full ?
Has he ALREADY committed his "sin" ?

LATER UPDATE:
OR have I just made an error with the non-user-friendly LDS system and the large numbers of Thos Harpers in the area, as Slowhands has pointed out. Ah well, possible new branches for the tree ?
Sorry for any confusion,