Lucretia HARPER nee WILLIAMS 1871-1935 Whitecroft/Pillowell (General)

by slowhands , proud of his ancient Dean Forest roots, Monday, October 15, 2012, 00:19 (4425 days ago) @ unknown

Hi

I'm currently looking into my father in laws family, the Harpers and utilising your excellent records have come across an anomoly. Thomas Moreton Harper is shown as having married Eliza Lucretia Williams in 1891 at Coleford. However, by 1911 Thomas is living in Bramley, near Rotherham. The 1911 Census shows him married to Eliza but that they have only been married for 6 years. My father in law understands that Thomas was a free-forester in the Forest of Dean, but believes he had this taken away from him due to some matter that the family have never disclosed. Do you know of anyway I could establish if there is any base to these rumours and if these are one and the same people. Any help/information would be appreciated.

As for the family tree, I've taken this back, so far, to the mid 1700's, including at least one family member who was a parish clerk in or around Ruradean. (Jonathan Harper).

1871 Whitecroft
James Williams 34
Harriet Williams 36
William T Williams 12
James T Williams 10
Francis Williams 7
John Williams 5
Birtha Williams 2

Name: Lucretia Williams
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1871
Registration district: Monmouth
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 27

1881
James Williams abt 1838 Longhope, Hereford, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriet Williams abt 1839 Bradley Hill E Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Wm. Thomas Williams abt 1859 Bradley Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
James Thomas Williams abt 1860 Bradley Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
John Williams abt 1866 Bradley Hill, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Bertha Williams abt 1869 Bradley Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lucretia Williams abt 1872 Bradley Hill, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Matilda Williams abt 1874 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Williams abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amos Williams abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

next door to

Thomas Harper abt 1843 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Harper abt 1841 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Moreton Harper abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Harper abt 1873 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Albert J. Harper abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire

1891 Coleway Lane End
James Williams abt 1837 Alderford, [CINDERFORD]Gloucestershire, England Head West Dean, Gloucestershire
Harriet Williams abt 1837 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Wife West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lucrelia Williams abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Daughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Tom Williams abt 1876 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Amos Williams abt 1879 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Simon Williams abt 1882 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Son West Dean, Gloucestershire
Lucy Williams abt 1884 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Granddaughter West Dean, Gloucestershire
Marton Harper [Williams] abt 1872 West Dean, Gloucestershire, England Lodger West Dean, Gloucestershire (future Husband)

Year: 1891
Month: Jun
Day: 15
Grooms_Surname: HARPER
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas Morton
Grooms_Age: 19
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Broadwell Lane End
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Harper
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Eliza Lucretia
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Broadwell Lane End
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Williams
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Labourer
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: Frank Williams
Witness_2: Matilda Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: A W Cornwall
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P93 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 95
Parish_Chapel: Coleford

1901
Thomas F Harper abt 1872 Bream, Gloucestershire, England Head Rawmarsh, Yorkshire
Eliza J Harper abt 1872 Whitecroft, Gloucestershire, England Wife Rawmarsh, Yorkshire

1911 Village Street Bramley Nr Rotherham Yorkshire married 6 years 1 child and 0 children died
Thomas Morton Harper 39 Bream nr Lydney
Eliza Lucretia Harper 39 Pillowell nr Lydney
Elizabeth Harriett Harper 3 Rotherham

The 6 years does seem odd as well as waiting 16 years for a child.

Name: Eliza L Harper
Birth Date: abt 1872
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1935
Age at Death: 63
Registration district: Rotherham
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 773

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