Elizabeth Herbert - my thoughts for what its worth ... (General)

by janethowell, Tuesday, June 17, 2014, 23:37 (3813 days ago) @ cjk136

For what it is worth, I took some time off my family research to follow this thread. I have learnt a lot I didn’t know about tracing those convicted who were sent abroad.

I think that the William Herbert (listed as Harbert) who marries Hannah Yemm 20 May 1782 is a different Herbert from the William Herbert who marries Martha Woore on 4 July 1802 (bachelor / spinster).

The William x Martha offspring listed are clearly 2 families to me as they are a whole generation apart – regardless of geography.

William x Martha offspring – baptisms from FoD web
Year Surname First Name Parish/Chapel
1804 HERBERT Elizabeth Ruardean
1805 HERBERT William Goodrich
1806 HERBERT Margaret Ruardean

1822 HERBERT Joyce Goodrich
1824 HERBERT George Welsh Bicknor
1824 HERBERT George Welsh Bicknor
1825 HERBERT George Goodrich

I would guess that William x Martha (1802) have a daughter Elizabeth (mother of Elijah when she was just 16yrs) and then have a son William. It is son William who is father of the 1820s children.

In general, in a case like this, I group by social norms of child-bearing not by geography – though geography can play an important part but only in families that stay in one place. I am chasing all 4 of my maternal/paternal lines around Britain through time!

Looking at the 1841 index I think we see Elijah with wife Jean (Jane).
Martha is still alive – living alone or with married daughter – need census image to find out

There is also an Eliza Herbert age 1 in a household with no other Herberts - ??

Ruardean Hill 3/364/7/22
Surname First Name Age
HERBERT Elijah 20
HERBERT Jean 25
HERBERT Elvina 4mths

Ruardean Hill 3/364/7/20
Surname First Name Age
HERBERT Eliza 1

Ruardean Hill 3/364/7/24
Surname First Name Age
HERBERT Martha 65

There are no Herberts in Goodrich in 1841 – even including soundex variations of the name.

I don’t know if any of this is of help or even relevant but I have had a very instructive evening.

Thank you for posting the thread.

Janet