CADOGAN & PHELPS, Awre salmon fisheries drowning, 1885 (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Monday, December 08, 2014, 01:38 (3639 days ago)

While researching Awre in the excellent Welsh Newspapers site I found this article which I hope helps other researchers.

From the Cardiff Times, 25 July 1885

SAD DROWNING FATALITY AT AWRE.
On Wednesday morning, Mr Cadogan, lessee of the Severn fisheries at Awre, discovered the body of a man named William Phelps, a fisherman, of Awre. It appears that deceased was in Mr Cadogan's employ, and on Tuesday, evening he left home in order to fish in the channel with a lave net during the ebb of the tide. In order to do this he had to wade through a rather deep stream of water, in the middle of which was some putchers erected for taking salmon. On Wednesday morning Mr Cadogan, on visiting the putchers, discovered deceased in a stooping position, with his hands firmly clasping the wood work. He had apparently died from drowning. Deceased, who was 70 years of age, was subject to fits, and it is supposed that in wading through the stream, and finding the water rather too deep, he made for the woodwork, and having seized it was taken with a fit, and the tide quickly overwhelmed him.

see http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3422737/ART36/awre%20cadogan

Here is William Phelps' burial from this site's PRs;

Record_ID: 75510
Entry_Number: 404
Year: 1885
Month: Jul
Day: 26
Surname: PHELPS
Forenames: William
Residence: Awre
Age_at_death: 72
Officiating_Minister: WR Savage Vicar
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_No: 51
Parish_Chapel: Awre
Soundex: P412

This looks like his baptism;

Record_ID: 82669
Entry_Number: 6
Year: 1813
Month: May
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: PHELPS
Child_Forenames: William
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Awre
Occupation: Waterman
Officiating_Minister: James Wetherell Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: Son of
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 1
Parish_Chapel: Awre
Soundex: P412

I think this is his marriage;

Record_ID: 1114
Entry_Number: 46
Year: 1840
Month: Dec
Day: 27
Grooms_Surname: PHELPS
Grooms_Forenames: William
Grooms_Age: full age
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Sailor
Grooms_Residence: Awre
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Phelps
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: Ian
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Sailor
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: full age
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Awre
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Williams
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: **mard
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Sailor
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both Mark
Witness_1: Ann Huling
Witness_2: Thomas Cadogan
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: J. H. Malpas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P30 IN 1/6
Page_Number: 23
Parish_Chapel: Awre
Soundex_Groom: P412
Soundex_Bride: W452

HOWEVER the groom's father is said to be "Ian", not John as per the Baptism.
Now I don't know for fact, but I thought Ian was a far more modern name ?. I cannot find any Ian Phelps within this site's PRs, or GlosBMD/FreeBMD, at any time before the 1950s.
Could this be a transcription error, should it be John not Ian ?

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Note that the witness is a Thomas CADOGAN, one of a line in Awre thro the 1700s & 1800s judging from the PRs. Presumably the same fisherman who employed William at time of his drowning as per the newspaper article.

I also suspect this is the same Thomas Gadogan who was witness at the 1853 Marriage of Hannah BROWN/PAYNE/PARSONS & Phillip PRITCHARD, see this recent post.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=45108

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I have read with great interest this prior-thread about salmon fishing on the Severn in general and the CADOGAN family in particular. I believe members of the Cadogan family are still farming in Awre. A few years back while visiting the Forest I thoroughly enjoyed some Cadogan cider produced at Awre, spotted & bought from Cinderford Co-op, hopefully I can buy some more this Christmas.

http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=29390

Admin, please could this post be linked into this locked-thread, thanks.
(Apologies for incorrect link earlier).