John Haynes b.1806 (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Tuesday, January 06, 2015, 00:09 (3610 days ago) @ hawdon

Noticed a Thomas Haynes was witness at John Senior's marriage in 1804, so searching all Haynes in St Briavels gave this, possibly John Junior's brothers. If so then clearly the family kept to tried & tested names thro generations, which can be both a help and a hindrance when tracing the line. I'm sure you know but always remember to lookout for spelling variations for this surname.

Record_ID: 59079
Entry_Number: 82
Year: 1816
Month: Jun
Day: 2
Parents_Surname: HAYNES
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: St Briavels
Occupation: Shoemaker
Officiating_Minister: Geo. Ridout
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 11
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: H520

Also a likely brother

Record_ID 1043973
Entry_Number 633
Year 1810
Month Dec
Day 9
Parents_Surname HAYNES
Child_Forenames Charles
Fathers_Forenames John
Mothers_Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname
Residence St Briavels
Occupation
Officiating_Minister Tho[ma]s Thomas Curate
Event Baptism
Memoranda
Notes
Register_Reference P278 IN 1/4
Page_Number 25
Parish_Chapel St Briavels
Soundex H520

As MPG has shown so well in the past, tracing the witnesses at Marriages is a great way to grow a family, they're often older relatives, or to find best friends(neighbours ?) to help tie a family down in the Census.

However IF this is Charles' marriage (dont forget usually wed in the bride's parish, and for early marriages often didnt give ages etc etc), this is not overly helpful, even IF it's relevant (all quite common names locally)
Must try to tie all these in with the corresponding Census' which unfortunately, as you probably know, only started in 1841.

Record_ID: 27125
Entry_Number: 64
Year: 1837
Month: Feb
Day: 13
Grooms_Surname: HAYNES
Grooms_Forenames: Charles
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: residing on extraparochial land of the Forest of D
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: GWILLIAM
Brides_Forenames: Salome
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: residing on extraparochial land of the Forest of D
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: He signs she marks
Witness_1: Mark of Emily Gwilliam
Witness_2: Christopher Hulin
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 22
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex_Groom: H520
Soundex_Bride: G450

Back to Thomas b1816 above, this could be his (second) marriage, the father's name and trade match perfectly, unlike with the more numerous coalminers, say, only one or two shoemakers in a village.

Record_ID: 28634
Entry_Number: 231
Year: 1866
Month: Sep
Day: 16
Grooms_Surname: HAYNES
Grooms_Forenames: Thomas
Grooms_Age: full
Groom_Condition: Widower
Grooms_Occupation: Labourer
Grooms_Residence: Tidenham
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Haynes
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: John
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Shoemaker
Brides_Surname: LANSDOWN
Brides_Forenames: Mary Ann
Brides_Age: 19
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Tidenham
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Lansdown
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: William
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Blacksmith
Licence_or_Banns: [not stated]
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: he marks she signs
Witness_1: William Haynes
Witness_2: Jane Lewis
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: Percy Burd Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P333 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 116
Parish_Chapel: Tidenham
Soundex_Groom: H520
Soundex_Bride: L523

AND to further complicate, found this Baptism, father John, shoemaker(as above), so looks a good fit for the above Groom, HOWEVER mother is Margaret not Elizabeth, so ??
CLEARLY need to "tread" carefully here, MUST tie-in these PRs with the Census's and untangle the family, but not tonight I'm afraid..

Re the Census', even for early PRs such as this, quite often Census's would show parents or inlaws living-in with their grownup children, or maybe next-door, to help us go back beyond the 1841).

Record_ID: 59626
Entry_Number: 689
Year: 1835
Month: Feb
Day: 3
Parents_Surname: HAYNES
Child_Forenames: Thomas
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Margaret
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: St Briavels
Occupation: Shoemaker
Officiating_Minister: Yate Fosbroke Curate
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P278 IN 1/5
Page_Number: 87
Parish_Chapel: St Briavels
Soundex: H520

(And found all these PRs without ticking the Soundex box to get the various Haines etc etc ....)

Re Hawdon's earlier post, would be usefull to find a future marriage for Jane Haynes b1806 (and so hopefully get parent/witness clues), but as yet no luck. Not forgetting the high infant mortaility rate in those days, so check the burials too.

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Hi again Dan, don't know if you've seen this old thread, once again I find I should have remembered to search the forum before posting, this thread very helpfully lists Census' data for your family.
http://forum.forest-of-dean.net/index.php?id=2886