Aha!
Takes me a while but sometimes I get there.

1861 already provided to me by slowhands

1861 Turners Tump
Sarah Griffiths abt 1787 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England Head
Ruardean Gloucestershire
Henry Griffiths abt 1835 Ruardean, Gloucestershire, England Son Ruardean
Gloucestershire
Giles Griffiths abt 1857 Blaenavon, Monmouthshire, Wales GrandSon
Ruardean Gloucestershire

This looks like the Giles Griffiths family Im interested in, theres a Sarah and a Henry that match the 1841 Griffiths lot that has Mary . Question is why is Giles senior with James whom Im also linking to this family.

im not getting there,
help!

carol