Witness John HILLMAN c1800 ?? (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Thursday, March 21, 2013, 23:55 (4270 days ago) @ m p griffiths

Revisiting parents Nathaniel & Priscilla, as we know from FoD PRs:

Record_ID: 36037
Entry_Number: 415
Year: 1823
Month: May
Day: 20
Grooms_Surname: HILLMAN
Grooms_Forenames: Nathaniel
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Priscilla
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Hundred of St Briavels
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both sign
Witness_1: John Hillman
Witness_2: Eunice Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: H. Douglas Vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 139
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H455
Soundex_Bride: W452

Is there anything to be found from tracing Witness John Hillman, I haven't seen him mentioned thusfar ? Was he a visitor, perhaps from Bisley, or was he living here ?.

Searching the FoD PRs I suggest this is perhaps him:

Record_ID: 35824
Entry_Number: 202
Year: 1818
Month: Mar
Day: 22
Grooms_Surname: HILMAN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: FROWEN
Brides_Forenames: Sarah
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: James Frowen
Witness_2: Sarah Clifford
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: S.F.Morgan Curate
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/11
Page_Number: 68
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H455
Soundex_Bride: F650

??

Is this him ?

Record_ID: 31096
Entry_Number: 780
Year: 1858
Month: Mar
Day: 26
Surname: HILLMAN
Forenames: John
Residence: Staunton Lane
Age_at_death: 66
Officiating_Minister: John Hawksley Curate
Event: Burial
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/27
Page_No: 98
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex: H455

So born abt 1792, so aged abt 26 at time of above marriage.
Could these be his parents ???

Record_ID: 61699
Entry_Number: 321
Year: 1788
Month: Dec
Day: 30
Grooms_Surname: HILLMAN
Grooms_Forenames: John
Grooms_Age:
Groom_Condition:
Grooms_Occupation:
Grooms_Residence: Newland
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:
Brides_Surname: WILLIAMS
Brides_Forenames: Mary
Brides_Age:
Brides_Condition:
Brides_Occupation:
Brides_Residence: Newland
Brides_Fathers_Surname:
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns:
Signature_or_Mark: Both mark
Witness_1: Thos Bond
Witness_2: Mark of Wm Williams
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: P Ball vicar
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P227 IN 1/8
Page_Number: 638
Parish_Chapel: Newland
Soundex_Groom: H455
Soundex_Bride: W452

Williams...as was Priscilla and witness Eunice at her wedding ??.

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Another local John Hillman, born abt 1824, and like Nathaniel a mason ???

Record_ID: 62408
Entry_Number: 1207
Year: 1892
Month: Jul
Day: 28
Surname: HILLMAN
Forenames: John
Residence: Mason
Age_at_death: 68
Officiating_Minister: J J D Cooke
Event: Interment
Cause_of_death:
Memoranda: (1) Crossways near Coleford (2) South Div: Adult Gr. (3) J 23 (4) Consecrated (5)
Notes:
Register_Reference: DA25/204/2
Page_No: 61
Parish_Chapel: Coleford Cemetery
Soundex: H455

I wonder if this is his Baptism ?
Record_ID: 358078
Entry_Number: 132b
Year: 1816
Month: Jan
Day: 14
Parents_Surname: HILLMAN
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: John
Mothers_Forenames: Elizabeth
Mothers_Surname: WHITTINGTON
Residence: [not stated]
Occupation: [not stated]
Officiating_Minister: T. D. Fosbrooke Min[iste]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: natural son of by putative father
Notes: May also be known as Whittington
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 17
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: H455

Once again I've advance-searched FoD PRs for all baptisms to Nat Hillman searching all various spellings, none found. Repeated for John Hillman to find:

358078 1816 HILLMAN John, John & Elizabeth WHITTINGTON, [not stated] [not stated] Ruardean
78472 1822 HILLMAN Temperance, John & Sarah, Staunton, Mason, Staunton

Not sure how these are relevant, but they look related to me:
8702 1818 ILLMAN Eliza, John & Sarah, Coleford, Mason, Coleford
8876 1823 ILLMAN John, John & Sarah, Col[e]ford, Mason, Coleford
8982 1826 ILLMAN Sarah, John & Sarah, Col[e]ford, Mason, Coleford

(NB there are only four Illman/Illmen PRs in the FoD Database. Given the Forest dialect I'm shocked I didn't search these earlier, although Soundex was equally careless!).

There are other later Hillman(f.John) baptisms but they're all related to Tin workers from Lydney area so I don't think relevant.

???