Thomas HILLMAN b1821, and the Thomas HILLMAN from Forest (General)

by Jefff , West London, Middlesex, Saturday, March 23, 2013, 02:26 (4265 days ago) @ slowhands

Yes, we found him in the end, another good team effort, well done one & all.
Like you I saw him amongst the LDS hits but I was thrown by the "St James" which I mistakenly assumed took to be another Bristol Parish (as are so often seen on LDS searches in Glostershire), seems you thought so too ?. More good learning for me !.

I think I'm right believing Ancestry have only recently added the 1851 Census to their database, a year or so ago they wern't showing it at all as far as I recall, certainly LDS still don't; hence I bought the 1851 Glos Census on cd.
As a FH newcomer this omission seemed a little odd given that Ancestry had the 1841 & 1861; is there any particular reason they didnt have the 1851 before, please ?.

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Revisiting LDS, some of these I saw before, but as you say it's easier knowing of Louisa, especially when using the one-dimensional LDS so not seeing whole households.

Why is Louisa a WIDOWER in your 1871 Census, is this an error or perhaps a deliberate fib, and if so why ??

Here's their Marriage date:

Wales, Monmouthshire, Parish Registers, 1538-1912
Name: Thomas Hillman
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 10 May 1845
Event Place: Aberystruth, Monmouthshire, Wales
Age:
Birth Year (Estimated):
Spouse's Name: Louisa Noble
GS Film number: 2414902
Digital Folder Number: 004394435

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Is this our Thomas in 1861, probably not ?

Name: Thomas Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Somersetshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-District: 1 Gelligaer
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Parish: Samabon
Residence County: Glamorganshire

So born 1820, but where/what is "Samabon", I can't find it ?

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Here's a little more detail re the 1871 Census:

Name: Louisa Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 45
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Frome, Somerset
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bedwellty
Sub-District: Aberystruth
Parish: Aberystruth
County: Monmouthshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Louisa Hillman F 45 Frome, Somerset
Son Nathaniel Hillman M 18 Rhymney, Monmouthshire
Son John Hillman M 16 Rhymney, Monmouthshire
Son William Hillman M 12 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire
Daughter Sarah Jane Hillman F 5 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire

Name: Thomas Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 50
Relationship to Head of Household: Boarder
Birthplace: St James, Gloucestershire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bedwellty
Sub-District: Aberystruth
Parish: Aberystruth
County: Monmouthshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Aaron Challinger M 37 Radstock, Somerset
Wife Ann Challinger F 28 Risca, Monmouthshire
Son John Geo Challinger M 5 Aberystwyth, Monmouthshire
Brother Frederic Challinger M 18 Norton, Somerset
Nephew George Profitt M 18 Camerton, Somerset
Boarder Thomas Hillman M 50 St James, Gloucestershire

I have finally found what I assume is this "St James", namely in Bream so definitely within the "Forest" !!
http://www.breamvillage.co.uk/3.html

(Memo to self: don't ignore ANY possible clue as I did this one, sorry guys!)

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And from the 1881 Census:

Name: Thomas Hillman
Age (Original): 62
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1819
Birthplace: Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Collier
Address: Pantysof Cottages
Event Place: Aberystruth, Monmouthshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342261
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5239 / 37
Page Number: 46
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Thomas Hillman M 62 Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England
Wife Louisa Hillman F 55 Froome, Somerset, England
Daughter Sarah Jane Hillman F 15 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, England
Relative John Noble M 60 Froome, Somerset, England
Boarder David Jones M 54 Wales
Boarder Alfred Redwood M 27 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, England

Nearby is their eldest, Thomas, born abt 1846 with family:

Name: Thomas Hillman
Age (Original): 36
Gender: Male
Birth Year: 1845
Birthplace: Brynmawr, Brecknockshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Collier
Address: Pantysof Cottages
Event Place: Aberystruth, Monmouthshire, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1342261
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 5239 / 37
Page Number: 46
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Thomas Hillman M 36 Brynmawr, Brecknockshire, England
Wife Elizabeth Hillman F 36 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, England
Son Thomas Hillman M 11 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, England
Son Nathaniel Hillman M 7 Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire, England

Was this him in earlier census's ?
Name: Thomas Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1861
Gender: Male
Age: 17
Relationship to Head of Household: Boarder
Birthplace: Clutton, Somerset
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Crickhowell
Sub-District: 3 Llangattock
Ecclesiastical Parish: Beaufort
Parish: Llangattock
Residence County: Brecknockshire

Name: Thomas Hillman
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 28
Relationship to Head of Household: Lodger
Birthplace: Newport, Monmouthshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Wheatenhurst
Sub-District: Frampton
Parish: Frampton On Severn
County: Gloucestershire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Ann Longney F 57 Framilode, Gloucestershire
Lodger Thomas Hillman M 28 Newport, Monmouthshire
Daughter Mary J Longney F 21 Framilode, Gloucestershire