Parents of James BRAIN, b1869 Ruardean Hill. (General)

by Jefff @, West London, Middlesex, Thursday, February 16, 2017, 17:32 (1202 days ago) @ Jefff

1871, Ruardean Hill, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England.
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Brain Head M 28 Married. Coal miner. East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Brain Wife F 27 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Alice Brain Daughter F 8 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Sophia Brain Daughter F 5 East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Brain Son M 2 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Jane Elizabeth Brain Daughter F 0 East Dean, Gloucestershire


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1881, Ruardean Hill, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England.
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
John Brain Head M 29 Married. Miner. East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Jane Brain Wife F 36 Married. East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Alice Brain Daughter F 18 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
James Brain Son M 13 Scholar. East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Brain Daughter F 11 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Thos Brain Son M 6 East Dean, Gloucestershire, England


Again from the free-to-use FamilySearch website, I think this is James' father John Brain, born abt 1852 according to the above 1881 Census, with his own parents James & Ann.
However, John's given age in the 1881 Census is clearly in error wrt the 1871 Census, and so the 1881 should probably be "39" not "29", hence John was born abt 1842, which fits the 1861 & 1851 below, and this Baptism Record.

Record_ID: 76933
Entry_Number: 152
Year: 1841
Month: Jun
Day: 6
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: John
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Ruardean Hill
Occupation: Labourer
Officiating_Minister: R.T. Budd
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: P109 IN 1/2
Page_Number: 19
Parish_Chapel: Drybrook
Soundex: B650

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1861; Reardean Hill, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
James Brain Head M 45 Coal miner. Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire
Ann Brain Wife F 44 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire
John Brain Son M 20 Coal miner. Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire
Moses Brain Son M 18 Coal miner. Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire
James Brain Son M 15 Coal miner. Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire
William Brain Son M 13 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire
Joseph Brain Son M 11 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Brain Daughter F 10 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire
Emma Brain Daughter F 6 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire
Timothy Brain Son M 0 Ruardean Hill, Gloucestershire


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1851; ???, East Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
James Brain Head M 34 Coal miner. East Dean, Gloucestershire
Ann Brain Wife F 33 East Dean, Gloucestershire
John Brain Son M 9 Scholar. East Dean, Gloucestershire
Moses Brain Son M 7 East Dean, Gloucestershire
James Brain Son M 5 East Dean, Gloucestershire
William Brain Son M 3 East Dean, Gloucestershire
Joseph Brain Son M 1 East Dean, Gloucestershire

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I'm a little surprised this family don't seem to have prior mentions within this forum. I suspect they are linked into this thread, please see Admin's post.
http://www.forest-of-dean.net/fodmembers/index.php?mode=thread&id=19655


1841; Morse, Ruardean, Ross District, Gloucestershire, England
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
James Brain M 24-28 Gloucestershire
Ann Brain F 23-27 Gloucestershire
Child Brain M 0 Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Mathwes F 28-32 Gloucestershire

Looks like "child" is our John, probably born abt late March 1841. I cannot find his Baptism in this site's PRs.

However I can find what looks like his parent's Marriage;

Record_ID: 57031
Entry_Number: 24
Year: 1839
Month: Feb
Day: 18
Grooms_Surname: BRAIN
Grooms_Forenames: James
Grooms_Age: 21
Groom_Condition: Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation: Collier
Grooms_Residence: Little dean hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname: Brain
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames: James
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation: Collier
Brides_Surname: HARRIS
Brides_Forenames: Ann
Brides_Age: 24
Brides_Condition: Spinster
Brides_Occupation: [not stated]
Brides_Residence: Ruardean hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname: Harris
Brides_Fathers_Forenames: Thomas
Brides_Fathers_Occupation: Carpenter
Licence_or_Banns: Banns
Date_of_Banns: [not stated]
Signature_or_Mark: both sign
Witness_1: James Harris
Witness_2: Susannah Hayward
Other_Witnesses:
Officiating_Minister: John Chell
Event: Marriage
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference: AO19/11
Page_Number: 12
Parish_Chapel: Walford
Soundex_Groom: B650
Soundex_Bride: H620


So James was born abt 1818, but which (if either) is his Baptism ?

Record_ID: 56666
Entry_Number: 192
Year: 1816
Month: Dec
Day: 25
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Ann
Mothers_Surname:
Residence: Morse
Occupation: Shoemaker
Officiating_Minister: T. D. Fosbrooke Min[iste]r
Event: Baptism
Memoranda: the son of. Privately baptised Aug[ust] 30th last
Notes:
Register_Reference: P275 IN 1/7
Page_Number: 24
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean
Soundex: B650

OR, MAYBE ??

Record_ID: 58815
Entry_Number: 111
Year: 1817
Month: Apr
Day: 11
Parents_Surname: BRAIN
Child_Forenames: James
Fathers_Forenames: James
Mothers_Forenames: Sarah
Mothers_Surname:
Residence:
Occupation:
Officiating_Minister: Jn HORLICK
Event: Baptism
Memoranda:
Notes:
Register_Reference:
Page_Number:
Parish_Chapel: Ruardean Congregational
Soundex: B650


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